John 14 and the Rapture of the Church


Having just listened to another sermon about the pre-tribulation rapture of the church from John 14 and 1 Thessalonians 4.13-18, I have decided to address a few ideas that need clarification on my blog.  In this “Rapture of the Church” sermon from a solid brother in Christ, I identified a few holes that I would hope others who listen to the sermon would also identify. We need to listen to the preaching of God’s Word with a critical ear. When the preacher tells us something, we need to judiciously examine the text for ourselves and see if we see what he is seeing. He is not the final arbiter of truth. Moreover, we need to listen to opposing points of view and be willing to discuss every side of an issue. If your conviction about a matter is not strong enough for you to examine more than one point of view, your position is decidedly weak, and you must face the reality that you might be wrong.

In this particular sermon, the preacher drew clear lines of distinction between the Second Coming of Christ described in Matthew 24 and a pre-tribulation rapture of the church described, in his mind, in John 14. He said the former (the Olivet Discourse) was addressed to Israel and the latter (John 14) was addressed to the NT church. I could not find an email address, but I have a question concerning his position.

How are we to distinguish when Jesus is talking to the disciples as representatives of Israel and when he is speaking to them as the future NT church throughout the four gospels and Acts 1? I think the question is more than fair.

As I compare Matthew 24.3 to John 14.1, I see that Jesus is talking to the same 11 disciples (Judas is absent in John 14), in the same city, and in the same final week of His life. Moreover, I find it odd that the book that contains eschatological information for Israel, namely Matthew, is the only gospel book that references the church (ekklesia) twice; whereas John, the gospel with the “rapture” passage for the NT church, does not reference the church (ekklesia) a single time.

Additionally, I see that in 1 Thess. 4:15, Paul references the “Coming (parousia) of the Lord” in the middle of the “classic rapture” passage, and this is the exact same word found 4 times in Matt. 24.3, 27, 37 and 39. Furthermore, if the reader will study the 24 times parousia (Strong’s G3952) is used in the King James NT, he will find Paul uses the word throughout 1 and 2 Thessalonians.  Please note the parousia is the Coming of Christ when he establishes His “presence” on the earth. Here is the Lexicon usage from www.blueletterbible.org.

1) presence
2) the coming, arrival, advent
a) the future visible return from heaven of Jesus, to raise the dead, hold the last judgment, and set up formally and gloriously the kingdom of God

Finally, I do not understand why the Matt. 28 “great commission” isn’t for Israel if the eschatological information in chapter 24 is for Israel.  Let the reader note that Matthew 16 speaks about the church, as does Matthew 18, and Matthew 28 is the “great commission” to the church, but sandwiched between two references to the church and the “great commission” to the church is eschatological information intended for Israel and not the church. Is that what I am to believe? Does that make sense?

This preacher kept emphasizing that Jesus is taking His disciples back to heaven in John 14.1-4. So, let me encourage you to read the text and see what you think.

John 14:1–4 (NASB95)
1 “Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 “In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 “If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. 4 “And you know the way where I am going.”

I chose the NASB because of the idea that Jesus is going to build me a “mansion” in heaven is a southern gospel pop-culture idea that only reinforces a prosperity gospel message. “Dwelling place” is a much more accurate rendering of the Greek word translated “mansion” in the KJV. But here is the KJV as well.

John 14:1–4 (AV)
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

I don’t see anywhere in John 14 where Jesus says that He is going back to heaven after He returns for His disciples. Could He not just as well enter the millennial kingdom with the elect He gathered as opposed to returning to heaven for 7 years? In fact, let’s be equally fair to the Amillennial guys. There is nothing in John 14 that suggests Jesus is going into the millennial kingdom (we get that from Revelation 20). The only thing the text indicates is that when He comes back for us, we will be with him forever (regardless of where that is). I think it is fair to say that John 14 doesn’t have the specificity that one may wish for it to have. (Post a comment below if there is anything in this text that suggests He is definitively going back to heaven.)

I will argue strongly that there is no way the disciples would have understood Jesus to be promising them a pre-tribulation rapture considering the reality that they heard in the words of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 directly from the mouth of Jesus. They were going to suffer tribulation; they would die for their faith in Christ.

Moreover, the serious student of the Word must reconcile the fact that Jesus continually spoke about what he would be doing on the “last day” in the gospel of John. Let me show you what I mean.

John 6:39, 40, 44, 55 (AV)
39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 12:48 (AV)
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Look closely at John 12:48. In this text, Jesus is talking about the judgment of unbelievers on the last day.

With these kinds of references to the “last day” in John, how are we to believe that Jesus was describing a pre-tribulation rapture of the church (in John 14) and not His return to establish His kingdom on this earth?

If the disciples understood from John 14 a pre-tribulation rapture of the church, why are they asking Jesus in Acts 1.6 “Lord will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”

Shouldn’t they have understood that there would be a pre-tribulation rapture, followed by 7 years of tribulation, and then they would return with Christ to reign in the kingdom?

In conclusion, John 14.1-4 is simply a promise from Christ that He is coming again. Nothing more can be inferred from the text. Preachers should be careful to let the text say only what it says and nothing more. The exegetical integrity of a preacher is called into question when he attempts to make the text say what it doesn’t say. There isn’t a single time marker in John 14 as to when this will happen. In fact, from the gospel of John it is only fair to assume that the return of Christ and the resurrection of the dead in Christ will occur on the “last day.” When is that last day? The Bible doesn’t say, but it does give us signs that will precede that last day. Do you know what signs will precede the last day?




More on Eschatology; Israel and Dispensationalism

In this discussion Joey Kellet, David McManus and myself discussion dispensationalism in response to the comment posted by D. Usher in my previous blog posting. Does the church have to removed from the planet in order for God to return His focus upon Jacob and Jacob's city? Does the fullness of the Gentiles end in conjunction with Daniel's 70th week or before that week? Make sure you have 48 minutes available before you begin listening to this discussion.


If you haven't had a chance to watch Eschatology 101 Part 1 here is the first in a series on Eschatology: The Study of the Last Things.

You can access a PDF copy of the slides here by cutting and pasting this URL into your Internet browser. http://www.bereanbaptistchurch.org/docs/Eschatology_Part_1.pdf

Finally

Christ Comes After the Tribulation

     In this sermon we see how both Matthew 24 and Mark 13 teach that Jesus is coming back after the tribulation and that the gathering of the elect is a type of rapture. Moreover, a connection is established to 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 to show that Paul is talking about the same event that Jesus is describing. Same angels, same trumpet  same catching away or gathering. Additionally, 2 Thessalonians 2 shows that Paul also  sees this event as happening after the son of perdition is revealed. Nothing in this sermon suggests that God cannot translate believers out of this world anytime He chooses in a 'pre-tribulation rapture.' He did it with Enoch and Elijah and can do it again. However, Matthew 24, Mark 13, 1 Thessalonians 4 are all describing an event that happens after the (7 year) tribulation and even more more specifically after the sun is darkened, the moon does not give its light, stars fall heaven, the powers in heaven are shaken, and "then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven.

     Jesus said: These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world (John 16.33).

     And Paul said: For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know (1 Thessalonians 3:4).

     Christians down through the centuries have always experienced persecution and tribulations; therefore, the potential for more tribulation is not sufficient reason to insist upon a pre-tribulation perspective. What is needed are specific Bible texts that show that Christ is coming again before the tribulation.

What God has promised Christians everywhere is that they are not appointed unto wrath. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, (1 Thessalonians 5:9).  Praise the Lord! God's wrath does not abide on His people. Consider how God protected His People in Egypt from His wrath. In the land of Goshen where the Israelites dwelt there wasn't any hail but everywhere else the ungodly experienced hail from heaven (Ex 9:26).


     Finally, even if the 'church' is raptured and it may be. Some followers of Christ are still going through the tribulation. They are called 'saints' throughout the book of Revelation and they are not limited to Jews alone.

The bottom line which should be remembered by all is most Christians will die. Only two or three generations of one specific period of time will be raptured. Everyone else is going to die and await the predetermined time of Christ's return and their reunion with there glorified bodies.


God Made You: The Inerrant Bible Says So


In this sermon, preached at Freedom Christian Academy on 10.10.2012, I tried to bring to the students the most important truth in the entire Bible—God Made You! While this idea seems so basic, there perhaps is a perception that it doesn’t need to be emphasized, but I would disagree. I believe there isn’t a truth more important. Presently, the number of people affiliating themselves with ‘no religion’ is growing at a greater percentage than any other group (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/09/protestants-no-longer-majority-in-us-study-says/?test=latestnews).  Yesterday I posted this simple tweet:

“Post-modernists and those who deny absolute truth can't be atheists because an atheist says, 'there is no God' which is an absolute truth.”

And the backlash was nearly immediate. Why? What does one who doesn’t believe there is a god care about what a person who believes in God thinks? Is it, perhaps, because inside even the fool (Ps 19.1) there is an awareness of his Creator.

Faith in evolution as the explanation for the origin of humanity is growing every day. In the church, people are abandoning faith in the biblical record presented in Genesis 1-3. Adam and Eve are thought to be fictional characters. What is not being considered are the implications of the abandonment of the inerrancy of these important chapters in Genesis. If these chapters are not accurate in what they present then the logical question that must be asked is: What else isn’t accurate?

The Apostle Paul authenticates the historicity of Adam in three different books (Romans, 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy). Is Paul a liar? If Paul cannot be trusted to present truth then nearly half of the books of the NT are all questionable in their veracity. But Paul is not the only one who authenticates the historicity of Adam; Luke does the same in Luke 1. And Luke is the author of more chapters in the NT than any other author. Finally, Jude authenticates the existence of Adam in Jude 14. If Adam is a fictional character we might well ask: Who else from the OT is fictional in their existence? What about Melchizedek, King of Salem, is he also a fictional character (Genesis 14:8)?  To which you may ask: What difference does he make? Christ Jesus is NOT a priest after the Levitical order of Aaron, but instead Jesus is a priest after the order of Melchizedek (Hebrews 5:6). If Melchizedek is a fictional character what are we to do with a priest who is a priest after the order of a fictional character? Imagine saying: “Christ is a priest after the order of Superman”—how absurd! Or, Christ is a descendent of Adam—a fairytale character created by ignorant men with limited awareness of science and truth.

Do you see what is at stake with denying the historicity of Adam and the men of Genesis? The credibility of Christianity is at stake with the denial of the inerrancy of Genesis chapters one, two and three and every subsequent chapter of the 66 canonical books of the Bible.

This is why yesterday I preached on Genesis 1-3, and this is why yesterday the pastors of Berean sat down in my office to do roundtable discussion on the inerrancy of the Bible.  Everything rises and falls on these two truths: 1) There is a God and He made you; 2) He, this God that made you, has revealed Himself to you in a book, the Bible, which is without error in its original autographs.

Now with that introduction I hope you will listen to both messages:


One Nation Under God: America's Godly Heritage

Rick Green from Wallbuilders does an amazing job of reminding us that nearly all of the 250 major founding fathers of America believed in a Creator God who providentially guided the affairs of man according to his divine plan. Watch this video and learn more about our Christian heritage. Post your comments directly underneath his presentation.

 

Reasons NOT to Vote for Romney Examined

In this podcast I examine 5 reasons why Justin Edwards (http://airocross.com/) says he is not voting for our current President or challenger Mitt Romney. 

While I completely respect Edwards decision to vote for anyone he chooses. I think his logic is partially flawed. Let me know what you think. Where am I going wrong? Why do you think a Christian should NOT vote for a Mormon or are there are reasons to consider? What Bible verses am I not considering?